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Tachigi
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Taylor Brown
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Mr. Emil, I read your article both parts  I am not sure all of what you said but have a pretty good idea what you are saying. Had to look up some of the words to understand it better. I think this will help in designing my scotts. I had a plan but I think I will rethink it. One question please, you wrote this
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| it belongs in the realm of two dimensional representations of depth. Why is that distinction important? Because foreshortening can be used to make something appear shorter without actually making it shorter ! An easy way to destroy the sense of depth and flatten any 2 dimensional representation is to place two different elements close enough to touch but without any of them overlapping the other, which is called a tangent in visual arts (Figure 2). |
but your picture shows this
the two foliage pads that are listed better and better both overlap which make it look like it has depth. So I don't understand I am not getting what your telling me I guess for this. I understand the rest pretty well I am just stuck here
Thank you for writing this
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Emil Brannstrom
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Location: Sweden
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An easy way to destroy the sense of depth and flatten any 2 dimensional representation is to place two different elements close enough to touch but without any of them overlapping the other, which is called a tangent in visual arts (Figure 2).
but your picture shows this
the two foliage pads that are listed better and better both overlap which make it look like it has depth. So I don't understand I am not getting what your telling me I guess for this. I understand the rest pretty well I am just stuck here
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Heya Taylor!
I'm happy you find my article useful! What I meant was that if you place the trunk and foliage as close as in the first of the three pictures,it looks flat since it's imposible to tell wich one lies in front of the other. If you make the foliage overlap the trunk you help the viewer understand what's in front or back. So, you are correct that the two pictures that are listed better and better make it look like it has depth,while the first picture looks flat.
The reason there is no picture listed as "best" is because wich one that's best is impossible to tell without seeing the whole tree. Perhaps there shouldn't even be a branch in that place. That would make all three pictures bad, but the two that overlap would still have depth!
If I misunderstod your question, please let me know.
Regards
Emil
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Ash Barns
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Location: Victoria Australia
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Well written article Emil. Tying in the perspectives of art with bonsai design does make a lot of sense and gives us a clearer understanding of why this is important. If we take Better #1 the branch has been wired and brought toward the viewer allowing part of the pad to overlap the trunk. In the case of Better #2 the branch has been swung to the rear allowing us a glimpse of the pad to the right but still giving a strong left hand view of the pad. As you said no reduction in the branch length just a different way of showing us how to get that depth.
Does that help you Ms. Taylor?
Ash
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